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Conservatives and Liberals in America: Conservatives believe in smaller government, lower taxes, and personal responsibility, Liberals believe in bigger government, more taxes, and less personal responsibility.
– DigitalBoss, 2009-08-25 at 14:00:08 (18 comments)

	On 2009-08-25 at 14:01:02, DigitalBoss wrote... Which side are you on?
	On 2009-08-26 at 03:19:55, BorgClown wrote... The outside!
	On 2009-08-26 at 12:52:46, DigitalBoss wrote... On the outside looking in?
	On 2009-08-26 at 19:59:46, BorgClown wrote... Unless I'm being naive and not getting a play on words, yes, I'm interested in USAian things. They affect me from afar. I'm outside looking at you.
	On 2009-08-27 at 01:27:04, DigitalBoss wrote... It is very simple, liberals think that government should play a larger role in their life, sacrificing their liberties and freedoms for a little warm and fuzzy feeling.
	On 2009-08-27 at 19:37:04, Thelevellers wrote... How is it that the last government, being arguably conservative in politics, killed of so many freedoms then? I think what you mean is 'Government is interested in control'. The two sides just do it in different ways...
	On 2009-08-27 at 19:39:49, Thelevellers wrote... I have to say that I can't vote on this for one simple reason: I believe people should be taking MORe responsibility for their actions, not less - a major gripe I have with today's society is that people generally don't take enough responsibility for their actions, hence the rise in these goddamn 'no-win-no-fee' 'lawyers'... Oh, and I would say I'm interested in MORE taxes either, just better distribution of the tax burden... And we've been through the 'fairtax' thing - that's not what I have in mind...
	On 2009-08-27 at 19:43:30, DigitalBoss wrote... To which freedoms are you referring in first post?
	On 2009-08-27 at 20:05:43, DigitalBoss wrote... When you say "the last government", I am assuming you are referring to the Bush administration. To which freedoms are you referring? Please be specific.
	On 2009-08-28 at 07:24:52, BorgClown wrote... Guantamo. Dirty elections. Unwarranted wiretapping. "Random" body search. No-flight list. DMCA. I'm sure I can recall lots more of those little nibbles to your freedoms.
	On 2009-08-28 at 11:21:28, Thelevellers wrote... I was just gonna say the PATRIOT act, but I think Borg put it better...
	On 2009-08-28 at 12:58:53, DigitalBoss wrote... I think Guantanamo was a brilliant idea. Of course, if you are suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome, you would not see the beauty in it. I don't think that Bush was smart enough to think of it, but he was smart enough to know it was a good idea when he heard it. What better place to keep them? What is it so hard for Obama to now find a place? 7 months later and he has moved no one! I think Guantanamo was a great idea. The "unwarranted wire-tapping", I also think was a great idea. It is only for known terrorists communicating with people inside the US. I say keep on doing it. I have no problem with that. They have been wire-tapping non-citizens overseas for many years before Bush came along. I think you should be more specific about "Random body searches". Who is searching whom at random? I also agree with a no-flight list. Why would you want certain individuals, that you know are involved in terrorist acts, to come into the country. I know there may be mistakes made, they should be kept to minimum.
	On 2009-08-28 at 12:59:27, DigitalBoss wrote... I do not care for the DMCA. It was signed into law by Bill Clinton in 1998.
	On 2009-08-28 at 15:29:18, Thelevellers wrote... I heard it was US citizens who were being wiretapped, and stopped and searched, etc. And guantanomo is a horrendous idea - how would you react if Iran did that to US citizens? Nuff said.
	On 2009-08-28 at 15:32:14, DigitalBoss wrote... Iran has been doing that to US citizens.
	On 2009-08-28 at 15:33:14, DigitalBoss wrote... US citizens are wire-tapped without warrants only if they are communicating with know terrorists overseas.
	On 2009-08-29 at 04:13:09, BorgClown wrote... @DigitalBoss: There's been quite a few incidents of unjustified detention and body-cavity search in airports. The whole Satan's Terrorist drill: computer confiscation, interrogation, naked body search. Why, there was a nice incident with an university professor, so maybe it's more random that it looks.
	On 2009-08-29 at 04:16:46, BorgClown wrote... @DigitalBoss: The bizarre things was that many of those people in Guantanamo were USA citizens. And there's people who enjoy that fascism demo, as long as it's done to others.